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this is not good

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and good afternoon from philadelphia

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frank here with our very first

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ufo news network sunday of 2021 uh we're

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joined

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once again by steve bassett head of the

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paradigm research group

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and uh let's not beat around the bush

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you all know who steve is so uh let's

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bring him right on

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uh steve uh glad you could join us to

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get the new year started off right

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yeah another another regular easy

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normal year well we'll we'll see we'll

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see how it goes

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we'll we'll see things getting a little

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bit messy and uh

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the outside of the ufo world and uh

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inside the ufo world too we'll get to

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all that

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uh but before we do yeah i would be

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really remiss

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if i didn't mention the the passing of

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angela joyner

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uh for i i would assume that there are

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some folks who

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are fairly late comers to all this ufo

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stuff who don't really even know who she

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but she was a reporter for the local

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uh back in 2008 when the stephenville

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ufo case

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uh captured maybe the the

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highest uh amount of ufo attention of uh

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anything was going on

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in that time frame it really uh really

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got a lot of coverage

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as she appeared on the larry king show

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uh you might

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remember her from a brief appearance in

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james fox's uh

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uh not most recent film the phenomenon

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but the one before that i know what i

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saw she was in that movie

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and uh while she had she was uh very

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heavily involved for

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quite a while uh with the ufo stuff uh

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she got uh some local heat

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from the local government and the local

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paper about her uh wanting to continue

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paper

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and the kind of hung out her own shingle

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uh with a podcast back

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in those days i think it ran a good two

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or three years

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back when i was first getting really

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seriously proactively interested in all

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i mean it was my go-to podcast i was a

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big fan of angela joyner's there's no

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doubt about it

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uh she was one of the first ufo people i

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uh wrote a little fan letter to and a

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little fan email

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and she was very responsive we became

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friends on facebook and

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uh still remains so uh really uh right

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until her death this past week and uh

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she kind of evolved away from the field

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uh she was uh she was a big deal she was

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an important person a person who came

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from a journalism background getting

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very involved in this field

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and uh yeah even though though like i

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uh she had sort of evolved away from the

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field over the years

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she will be missed uh people who

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remember her and dealt with her

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whether it was ufos or anything else

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remember her as a the finest type of

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person to steve

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i'm sure you have some thoughts on

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uh frank as you as you may know i i have

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regard for journalism i

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i i know i understand that journalism

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under its attac is under attack these

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but uh the fact is is that uh

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the the press media journalists are

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absolutely key to

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the sustainability of our

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government of our democratic society and

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when the journalists

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serve us well good things come from that

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uh so uh and i also know

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that oftentimes you have to be pretty

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courageous to be a journalist

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to say the least you don't have to be in

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a war zone

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to need to be courageous

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so and jelly was like wonderful

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she she was just a uh

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a lady in stevensville texas

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uh not a huge place out of the way uh

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working for the paper

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got a husband randall decent life and

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it's all all fine and then the e.t

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issue like it often happens landed on

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her door literally

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so you had this extraordinary

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and she covered it big story

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she jumped in she covered it and

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was really the first one to get that

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and after a while the paper which is a

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smaller paper it's not a

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it's a small town paper just wanted to

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move on

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and didn't want to be covered anymore

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and she didn't like that she put some

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resistance up and ultimately

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left the paper uh if it wasn't for that

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she might still be working she might

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have been working for the stephensville

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paper i figured the name of it

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vampire tribune i think but uh right for

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15 years or so but no so it cost her a

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job

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but she accepted that and she got into

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the field and she did her

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made her contributions as so many

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hundreds of thousands of people have

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done what i call research

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activist journalists uh in the et

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phenomena

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uh and made it made a mark and made a

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so and she's just a wonderful person too

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just a a lovely lady

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she passed from coven 19. as did her

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husband literally a day within

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her husband when she died it was uh it's

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a horrible story steve it really is

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yeah it's about as bad as it gets so

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there have been plenty of bad story

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horrible stories

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but essentially she's 59 years old her

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she goes in says she gets covered with

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with the husband at the same time

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they end up pretty much going to the

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hospital at the same time but his

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his disease progresses a little faster

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and so ultimately he has to go to the

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i think a day or two before her death

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she is aware of this she knows this she

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in what could be the final uh final uh

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sage

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and he dies now she

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has to cope with that while preparing to

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so um

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let me just say as someone who has

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got a lot of time on his hands the last

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year who watches an enormous amount of

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news coverage reads a great deal of

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and has a lot of people uh

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conveying to me their opinions on

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facebook and on twitter

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in that format not one-on-one directly

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but they're posting

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and i'm reading them i'm seeing that uh

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let's just say that uh this disease

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is awful it is

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one of the worst pandemics that ever hit

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the human race

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certainly in modern times if we go back

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uh it's not over we have not handled it

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and a lot of people are going to die a

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lot more people are going to die

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and that's one thing

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because we all die but to die

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because a large numbers of people have

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been misled

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by unscrupulous journalists and

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propagandists

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politicians pretty much to serve their

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personal agenda that's

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that's uh bad

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and there's going to be more of that we

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just had a massive super spreader event

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tens of thousands of people not wearing

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who have brought all the variants uk

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south africa and maybe even the new

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variant has turned up the u.s right into

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dc which has had a very

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pretty good run on this on this virus it

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that may very well change and more

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so we lost angelia we're gonna lose some

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and i don't argue with people one-on-one

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i don't post back responses to those

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that put their opinions up

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but since i do have a bit of a platform

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let me say

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this disease is real it is not a hoax it

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has been handled terribly

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and the vaccine is absolutely the way

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we're going to get back our country and

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our lives

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uh i intend to get one i'll get as many

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as they want to give me

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because i know enough about science to

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know that that is what works

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doesn't mean that somebody may not have

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a poor reaction

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but 500 000 people are not going to have

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poor reactions

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let me also say that i put up angelia

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on my immemorial page uh which

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chronicles and account and mentions

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this of many many people in this field i

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don't know how many i'm up to 80 or so

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so she's now on that list and in

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memoriam

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paradigm research group.org you can see

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a link to some info about her

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and many of the others we've lost over

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the last few years so

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we we have we we continue on frank to

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get the job done

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yeah i you know i don't understand it

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at least from my eyes you know i was uh

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watching those uh the news releases and

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the videos coming in from

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italy i mean that was almost a year ago

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already you know what i mean

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and if you didn't see that there was a

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problem coming a real problem coming

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i don't know what you were thinking

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because it was

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obviously a really bad bug a really bad

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and you just have to protect your health

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you know i'm seeing a lot of it you know

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down there in texas maybe they thought

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it quite so much

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i know it it's being a a

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pretty devastating a little bit more in

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the rural areas it took a while

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for it to get out there and people just

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you know they just didn't see it coming

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and i did see an interview with a nurse

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who was working at a rural hospital and

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they're getting overrun right now

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and she was saying people just don't

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take it seriously until they get it

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a long time i was really blaming uh the

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politicians uh i know you're alluding to

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trump i mean let's not not beat around

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the bush as far as

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uh the disinformation goes but uh early

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on i live in the northeast

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you know i wasn't happy at all with the

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way uh cuomo and to a lesser extent

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uh governor murphy and new jersey and

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even our own governor wolf here handle

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a lot of it was not happy with them was

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not happy with

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doctors fauci or redfield at the federal

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level the way

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they didn't get on the mask situation a

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little bit earlier than i think

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they should have they should have had

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data they should have had studies

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about this before this virus even

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manifested itself you know

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and then they didn't do it and uh again

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i was

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very unhappy with them but at the end of

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the day it's about

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individuals protecting their own health

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and uh to

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to such a great extent that that that

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really has not happened i mean it just

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hasn't happened

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ultimately the the bad work that i think

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of the five guys they mentioned and a

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lot of others along the way

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just sort of sped up the inevitable that

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people just don't care enough about

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their health in the united states

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and if you don't have your health you

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don't have anything

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let me do mention one thing though just

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case i want people to

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have a misunderstanding here angelia

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took the d seriously oh i know she did i

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know she took the precautions

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uh she wasn't somebody that that

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downplayed it

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or bought into the to the propaganda

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understood i understood

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so she didn't get this because of that

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she got this disease because other

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people

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did not take this disease properly and

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believe the propaganda

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and help to pass it on around texas and

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so she is a victim of other people's

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stupidity

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as are a lot of people so i want to be

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clear on that

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and as far as further elaborating and i

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won't go any further than this

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history will decide who

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was most culpable in this fiasco

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uh it's a little early for us going

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through it to make those decisions

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we could argue all day long about who

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and what and when but history will we'll

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flesh it out

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and those that serve the public will be

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recognized and those that disserve the

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public

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will be condemned but that's for history

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and that's down the line for now

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we just have to find a way to stay alive

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yeah just protect yourself at all times

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you know that's right the

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the virus the virus is a virus it's uh

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it doesn't think it doesn't wait around

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the corner to jump on you

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uh like some some street criminal or

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something like that that uh

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you know it uh it it does spread it can

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spread

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a little bit through the air largely

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inside uh but uh it doesn't think it

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doesn't say oh there there's a

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uh there that looks like a fine victim

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or i'm going to

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pass on that younger person because i'm

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not going to be able to kill that person

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so let me

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let me jump on that older person you

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you can protect yourself it's not it's

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not rocket science

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yes indeed okay all right so yeah what

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uh uh

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yeah let's get to it it's a terrible oh

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uh yeah well one other question steve i

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don't

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i i was a big fan of that podcast when

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she was doing them and

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there were some fine interviews i don't

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specifically recall you doing the show

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but i'm gonna guess that you did

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did you do so many don't think so so

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many

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podcasts a little time i don't think so

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but i'm sure it was wonderful

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i'm glad she had one i'm i'm

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about to launch mine i think i may

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actually put it up online tonight we'll

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see

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um but yeah everybody's got to have a

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podcast and

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soon i'll have one and and so forth but

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uh

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new age yeah yeah everybody has power to

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express themselves in ways that only uh

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previous generations could have imagined

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yeah which is fantastic but that also

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means that

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everybody's opinion increasingly has

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almost an equal footing to everyone

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else's

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uh and a lot there's a lot of opinions

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out there

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so it's uh dense it's dense

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one one could spend virtually their

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entire life just sorting through

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what people think about this or that uh

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because those opinions are actually

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turning up in front of us

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it's a we're still adjusting to this new

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reality ultimately

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it is free speech it is uh

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a human expression and ultimately i

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believe it will serve us well but we're

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going through a kind of awkward

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transition

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where the downside of mass communication

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is uh is also impacting our society as

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well as the upside yeah we'll see how it

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turns out

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oh yeah i i think i think it's going

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great uh to be perfectly honest with you

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yeah

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it's sort of like uh the way you you do

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have to protect your health at all times

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uh basically it's uh protecting your

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most valuable resource and that's your

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time

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and uh you know we lost angela this past

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week and

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i'm not getting any younger and you're

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not getting any younger and uh

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time is a a finite resource so

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how much time are you going to spend uh

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putting it into

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less than the uh the the best uh

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material out there and

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are you going to be able to put the time

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in to sort of uh sift through that

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and sort of become your own editor and

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not rely on

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editors at uh news stations or with

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newspapers and you have to sort of

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become your own editor

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and have to develop that skill and uh

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yeah

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put you put your time into uh the good

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material because there

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are experts there are people who really

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know this field and a lot of other

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fields too

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that have access to speak their piece

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that they never could have gotten

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through back in the old days when it was

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uh

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narrow cast

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very much uh having uh insider decision

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makers decide

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uh what's going to get on and even that

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even if you did get through all that

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how much time were you going to get to

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make your point you know so i think it's

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a better world but it

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again it it's also a world that's going

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to require more individual

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responsibility at the same time so

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true and i think in general as we try to

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adjust to these new

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technologies and so forth we need to

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finally reach a point where we spend

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a lot more time thinking and a lot less

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time posting

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i think the overall quality of discourse

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will improve

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and you talked about your own podcast uh

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what's the deal with that where are

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people going to be able to check that

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out

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it may go up it may i may watch it this

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evening it's the

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it's called the disclosure wire podcast

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and it will be about the

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extraterrestrial et issue

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exo politics uh the exo-political aspect

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certainly

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it will be based in the studio here in

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washington d.c near the capitol

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or near the white house rather the only

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one to do that the only one to broadcast

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out of dc so far

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it's just about to start it's going to

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take time to build it

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um and get to guests and so forth but

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what's your fault where's your platform

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are you going to do it on youtube are

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you going to

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just uh upload it to everyone it's going

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to be on it will be home based on

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youtube

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linked from my website linked from its

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own domain

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uh disclosurewire.org uh i'll certainly

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look at all the other platforms there

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are so many now and slowly work it into

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all of these it's not

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no advertising no no paywall yeah yeah

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but you've got there you've got a nice

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mailing list you'll be able to promote

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it through that i get your emails all

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the time

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uh but the target for this podcast is

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the key target it's for everybody of

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course particularly people that don't

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know what's going on like to get caught

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up but the uh the

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important target is the journalists and

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academics and political

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people in this town in washington uh i'm

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hoping

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to reach a point where i can get people

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to come

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hopefully in studio here this will be

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obviously after the vaccinations have

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taken place uh and people who have never

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talked about this issue on camera

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but feel comfortable now to do that and

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to give them a

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an interview and uh discuss their

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thinking on it uh there are

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a lot of people i assure you in

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washington dc that have known for

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decades that there's an extraterrestrial

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presence

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but simply we're not going to talk about

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it because it was not

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going to help their career or their life

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really in any way but that's changing

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and uh so while i'm going to have guests

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on that you know about i'm sure they've

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been talking about this issue for a long

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time

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i'm i'm seeking those individuals

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particularly journalists so we'll see

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how that goes

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it will go up and i'll start the

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promotion of it and uh

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but i've been putting it off frankly i

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mean it was gonna go

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i originally planned to do it in

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november december of last year believe

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it or not

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but i kept putting it off because the

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circumstances just weren't right

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and i i just didn't want to try to

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compete

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with the political circus that was going

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on it was unrivaled

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uh to try to draw the attention of

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people in politics and

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and and journalism and that's not

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entirely over yet

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no it's not over yet but i'll tell you i

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mean between the pandemic and the

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political circus

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00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,400
you just can't compete with that and so

570
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,480
i kept putting it off putting it off

571
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,400
and i was going to launch it on the

572
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,640
seventh the day after the georgia

573
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,000
primaries

574
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:45,120
well we know how the seventh went and so

575
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:48,000
i put it off again and i'm hoping to get

576
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,200
it up tonight if not

577
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,240
tomorrow uh i'm ready to go

578
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,720
i've i've got everything set up i know

579
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:55,919
how to edit it and all that kind of

580
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,480
stuff

581
00:21:05,430 --> 00:20:58,880
so i'll get it up is that i'm not going

582
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:08,310
less is more clean reasonably well

583
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,960
produced

584
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,880
but i'm not going to try to out fancy

585
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,240
anybody it's all

586
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,880
going to be about content and over time

587
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,559
i'll probably get a little better at it

588
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,880
uh work in some yep slide shows that

589
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,320
that doesn't that does happen

590
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,880
yeah you do you do learn along i'd like

591
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,520
to do that

592
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,120
let's let's try that next time around

593
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,360
yep but that is part of the game

594
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,880
and uh you know at least for me it's

595
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:31,200
been a really fun process it really has

596
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,679
so i

597
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,760
i think you're going to enjoy it yeah i

598
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,039
think it's the way to go

599
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,840
yeah yeah you're definitely if i enjoy

600
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,600
it as much as all these teenagers are

601
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,280
enjoying their tick tock videos

602
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,760
there you go there you go the only i

603
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,280
guess the only downside is you won't be

604
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:47,039
able to do as many guest appearances on

605
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,320
other podcasts

606
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,600
oh no no no no my job is to do that

607
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,840
there is no microphone or camera i'm not

608
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,360
wanting to get in front of so i have no

609
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,880
fear that will not stop and

610
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,720
you were talking about trying to line up

611
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:00,400
some people who don't normally do these

612
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,200
types of shows

613
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,120
i did see within the last couple of

614
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,360
weeks uh professor avi loeb

615
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,240
uh who is a uh an astrophysicist at

616
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,440
harvard who

617
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:11,600
really believes that that or at least

618
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,230
object that floated around earth a

619
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,000
couple of years back was in fact

620
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,159
an alien probe he's going on record and

621
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,440
he's saying that he's

622
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,280
actually doing a couple of ufo

623
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,720
interviews and i'm toyed with the idea

624
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,080
of asking him myself and

625
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,840
probably should follow up and try to get

626
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,000
him on that uh that isn't

627
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,320
that is uh actually uh even though it's

628
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,640
not directly ufo related well

629
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,559
i mean it kind of is and so there is

630
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,640
some disagreement uh that is an

631
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,080
interesting development that's happened

632
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:43,600
over the last couple weeks he's got this

633
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,559
book out now

634
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,159
and he's out there you know he's out

635
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,840
there uh flogging it

636
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,760
trying to get it going and he's making

637
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:52,840
that claim it's a bold claim steve

638
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,400
yeah avi avi loeb dr avi loeb

639
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,240
i believe is the head of the astronomy

640
00:23:03,590 --> 00:22:59,919
department at carbon

641
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,600
uh saw the writing on the wall

642
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,440
read the articles in the new york times

643
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,200
and watched what was going on and

644
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,880
decided it was time to get on board the

645
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,240
disclosure train

646
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,880
okay and uh he's not the only one you're

647
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:14,480
seeing this

648
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,520
a lot uh totally understandable no

649
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,200
criticism intended

650
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,600
uh but i assure you ten years ago he

651
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,120
wouldn't have dared

652
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,039
take this move now the route that he

653
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,320
took was intriguing to me a little bit

654
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,760
safe just by and large is safe

655
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,640
so he decided that um whoever can

656
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,679
pronounce this

657
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,720
um how do you pronounce it again frank

658
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:43,200
more more i think that sounds i don't

659
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:43,840
think that's pretty

660
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,960
hell i'll go with it whatever that uh it

661
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,880
seems like it has a characteristic that

662
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,159
means it's not a natural

663
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,080
rock and it could be a space probe well

664
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,840
this is a fairly safe play

665
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,320
right i don't i don't think it is i

666
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,000
think it's a rock i don't think there is

667
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,360
evidence to even remotely be convincing

668
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:04,000
that this is a quote probe from outer

669
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,640
space

670
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,600
but it's enough of a hook that he could

671
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:09,200
he could get on board the train and he

672
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:09,919
has

673
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,600
it as far as i know

674
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,080
uh unlike john mack who's they tried to

675
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:17,600
run him out of harvard

676
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:21,120
with a with a committee uh or rather a

677
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,600
general

678
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,480
what they call it investigation his work

679
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,559
was a little less safe though

680
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,400
i'm sorry his work was a little less

681
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,080
safe though

682
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:33,600
a little safe but also very early 1992

683
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,799
93 but not abby so avi is on a safe play

684
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,919
he's getting i'm good you're going to

685
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,600
see a lot more people finding

686
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,000
some way to get up on the stage because

687
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,320
they know the play is about to begin

688
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,400
and that's great i'm glad to see him

689
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:48,080
wish they'd maybe gotten there a little

690
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,640
sooner

691
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,720
but that's all right uh and that's just

692
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,480
one example of many

693
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,279
uh that indicates that something big is

694
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,440
going down and as you know from

695
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,679
interviews we've already had frank i'm

696
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,039
pretty convinced something big

697
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,919
is going down and uh yeah before we move

698
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:04,400
on

699
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:09,200
news that uh yuri milner's breakthrough

700
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,480
listen program

701
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:13,200
has discovered what they think is a very

702
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,320
narrow band

703
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,600
radio signal from proxima centauri

704
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,919
right around the corner the closest star

705
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:21,600
system to us

706
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,070
the seti programs on occasion have heard

707
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,480
a little something and got on it the wow

708
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,480
signal and so forth

709
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,880
of all the people who need to get on the

710
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,200
train the disclosure train

711
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:42,480
the seti world has got probably

712
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,190
so if you if you anyone is watching

713
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,880
what's going on and realizing we may

714
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:55,279
very well be headed for disclosure

715
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,720
and you've been part of a a scientific

716
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,240
endeavor

717
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:03,279
that for uh

718
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,320
60 years going back to 1960

719
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,400
has been looking for extraterrestrial

720
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:12,799
signals with no

721
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,919
no results while spending hundreds of

722
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:17,440
millions of dollars

723
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,909
essentially acting as kind of a front

724
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,679
for the truth embargo

725
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,440
in the sense that we're looking for ets

726
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,200
what's your problem

727
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,880
right all that other stuff you you claim

728
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,559
to be seeing there's nothing there

729
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,760
it's all going to be out there in

730
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,000
signals if you're a yuri milner and you

731
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,080
invested 100 million dollars

732
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,559
supposedly that's what they reported in

733
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,440
quote

734
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:44,720
looking for these signals boy you want

735
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,710
right and if you don't find one you want

736
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,559
to say you found one because that gives

737
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,799
you a hook to the issue

738
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,799
and you can get on board the disclosure

739
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,480
train

740
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,240
but when the hearings come and the

741
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,000
witnesses start testifying

742
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,760
to the kinds of things that we've been

743
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:05,360
hearing from witnesses

744
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,039
for almost two years now uh regarding

745
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,080
obviously the the to the stars events uh

746
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:13,520
to the stars of uh

747
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,720
of uh um the two of the stars academy of

748
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,760
arts and sciences and the

749
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:19,120
and the articles in the new york times

750
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,320
and the witness testimony from the

751
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,559
pilots if you've been watching that

752
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,080
and you realize hearings are come where

753
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
that testimony is going to be given to

754
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,600
congress under oath

755
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:30,720
not about signals from alpha centauri

756
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,399
but about e.t craft in our sky right now

757
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:37,520
you want to giddy up right i get in

758
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:37,840
there

759
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,840
right and so uh uh am i impressed

760
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,240
no do i think yuri milner threw his

761
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,520
money down the toilet

762
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,880
yes uh would it be great if he'd get on

763
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,440
board the

764
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,679
the activism right now and provide help

765
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,200
provide funds so that we can

766
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,880
ensure that the public's interests are

767
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,399
served by this process

768
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,240
that would be nice do i expect that not

769
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,000
a chance

770
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:03,279
so yeah uh that's my thoughts on that uh

771
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,990
what what history is going to write

772
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,000
about seti

773
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,600
is not something i would ever want to

774
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,559
have to read if i was in city

775
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,720
uh it's not going to be pretty it's

776
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,159
going to be very ugly

777
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,000
and it's going to be a stain on the

778
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,919
scientific community

779
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,880
for a long time well don't you think

780
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,600
that that

781
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,240
is really most about i mean this city is

782
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,440
a lot more

783
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,399
than the the the city.org that's uh

784
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,559
located here in the states i mean it's a

785
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,799
it's a it's a branch of study in the in

786
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,640
astronomy uh

787
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,240
no seti is about searching for

788
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,159
extraterrestrial life right it's not

789
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,679
about searching for extraterrestrial

790
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,600
planets that's being handled by

791
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:50,159
nasa and right and jpl and they haven't

792
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,960
done any of that

793
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,399
they have built a lot of radio

794
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,480
telescopes which i imagine

795
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:57,360
some of them were were rented out the is

796
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,159
doing other things

797
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,919
which is what you do you could be if you

798
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,440
have down time you rent it you get time

799
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,120
on it right they've provided that but

800
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,279
let's be clear

801
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:07,279
it has been the search for

802
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,480
extraterrestrial

803
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,600
signals since 1958

804
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:13,600
and the and the government knew about

805
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,720
the extraterrestrial presence in 1947

806
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,200
and i guarantee you some of the original

807
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,720
founders of seti knew there was an

808
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,559
extraterrestrial presence

809
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,760
some of the scientists that have worked

810
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,120
for it since have known there's an

811
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,720
extraterrestrial presence

812
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,320
but talking about that was not going to

813
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,840
get them a paycheck

814
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,480
from nasa or the government or private

815
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,919
funders

816
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,880
because that issue was still embargoed

817
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:38,399
that's cowardice

818
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,320
misrepresentation and scientific fraud

819
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,679
so hey my empathies are with the

820
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:47,200
scientists that came forward on this

821
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,000
issue when they

822
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,240
knew it was going to cost them not the

823
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:52,000
scientists that collected paychecks in

824
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:52,640
order to play

825
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,559
games with science and misrepresent it

826
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:59,039
uh and misrepresent to funders i'm sure

827
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,840
milner was

828
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,159
was was given a whole bill of goods

829
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:04,559
right and convinced wow i'm gonna put

830
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,760
tons of money into this well

831
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:10,320
he was conned and his money went down

832
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,880
the drain

833
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,039
so i have no sympathies frank none there

834
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,559
is no sympathy

835
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,760
at all so you don't think that uh that

836
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,279
type of thing that the ex

837
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,799
the exoplanet hunting you're separating

838
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,039
those out yeah

839
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:25,520
yeah yeah i love the exoplanet stuff

840
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,399
that work

841
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:29,039
has done more to really galvanize a

842
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,399
large portion of the public to the

843
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,039
reality we're not alone in this universe

844
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:36,640
but understand well before those planets

845
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,279
were

846
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,360
being quote chronicled by the various

847
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,039
telescopes

848
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,520
plenty of knowledgeable scientists had

849
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,200
already arrived at the conclusion that

850
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:46,720
absolutely

851
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,480
this the galaxy is filled with planets

852
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,760
but you know they didn't get a lot of

853
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:54,559
attention why because if the galaxy is

854
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,120
filled with

855
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,559
planets and there's a good chance that

856
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,559
galaxy is filled with life and if it's

857
00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:00,159
filled with life it may be filled with

858
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,120
sensient life

859
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,799
and if their sentient life they could be

860
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,640
advanced and they could have starships

861
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,480
and that would bring us to the e.t issue

862
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:08,240
and you're not allowed to talk about

863
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:09,519
that

864
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,640
it's embargoed shut your mouth or we'll

865
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,000
take your paycheck

866
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,120
right so

867
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,480
even the the scientific work

868
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,000
that have have brought forward these

869
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,679
exoplanets and really

870
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,360
uh provided a census of the universe

871
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,039
it's profound

872
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,840
let me put it this way their attitude

873
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:30,880
and what they will say

874
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:34,000
is well until we actually saw those

875
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:34,880
planets

876
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,159
on our uh uh screening

877
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,000
right of these various solar systems

878
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,760
using the advanced techniques

879
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,600
that showed there was a planet there

880
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,039
until we actually

881
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,760
saw that hard evidence we just couldn't

882
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,519
really talk about

883
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,440
the fact there could be a lot of planets

884
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:53,120
i think one scientist not too long ago

885
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,720
about 15 years ago wrote a book called

886
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,000
rare earth

887
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,960
making the case about how we are really

888
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,640
rare in this universe

889
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,559
but that's how science sort of works

890
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,640
they they don't go out on limbs

891
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,320
they might speculate a little bit and

892
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,919
talk in terms of uh

893
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,080
probabilities there's a high probability

894
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,000
of this a low probability of that

895
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,760
that that's how science works on every

896
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,440
field those students no that's not how

897
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,640
science okay

898
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,519
let's talk about atomic physics well

899
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,840
before we actually saw a proton

900
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,760
there were plenty of science saying

901
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:24,880
there

902
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,159
and they were theorizing about and

903
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,600
talking about it and putting it into

904
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,720
play

905
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,039
which is appropriate all right and then

906
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,679
eventually we discovered those particles

907
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,960
what i'm trying but you see the

908
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,799
government didn't intervene the

909
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,240
government didn't come into the people

910
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,320
that are trying to theorize about

911
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,760
the fact that there may be protons and

912
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,399
electrons and say that's embargoed

913
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,480
uh you can't talk about that national

914
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,880
security don't have a right to know

915
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,000
no on this issue that's what happened

916
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:02,000
and that's not the way science works

917
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,440
science is not supposed to say look

918
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,120
we're theorizing this is happening oh no

919
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,480
the government says we can't go there

920
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,799
okay i'll shut up

921
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,440
no that's not how science works frank uh

922
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,559
and so in this case

923
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,000
one of the reasons that truth embargo

924
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:16,159
needs to take place is so we can fix

925
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,440
that

926
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,120
so i don't want the government

927
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,440
intervening in massively important

928
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:24,080
theoretical science and science for

929
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,960
political

930
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,200
reasons now it's happened in the with

931
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,640
the nazis has happened

932
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,440
with uh with a number of societies over

933
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,039
the years we get that

934
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,720
they've killed scientists burning by the

935
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,880
stake in all of that america is supposed

936
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,640
to be better than that

937
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:41,840
shining city on the hill right

938
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,320
right the uh uh the special nation

939
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,440
so we have to stop that we want a free

940
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:51,279
scientific community not interfered with

941
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:51,679
by

942
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,279
stupid politicians well i say stupid

943
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,519
look the embargo of the e.t issue was

944
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,000
for national security reasons

945
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,720
and there was a nuclear standoff going

946
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,480
on so

947
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,960
let's just say that it wasn't all

948
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,119
stupidity some of it was

949
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:12,399
a a realistic concern

950
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,599
that the et issues emergence was

951
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,720
poorly timed that if it wasn't for the

952
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,720
nuclear standoff and the existential

953
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,320
threat to all of humanity

954
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,839
we might have been more open about that

955
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,320
so let me let me back off a little bit

956
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,760
since the cold war ended though

957
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,440
stupidity has become a little bit more

958
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,560
prevalent

959
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,079
national security a little less

960
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,599
appropriate

961
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,000
so yeah uh but you know i have hearts i

962
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:38,000
believe i have hard views about this

963
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:39,200
right i don't talk about them all the

964
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,839
time

965
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,520
but they will be discussed and they'll

966
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,960
be discussed by me but

967
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,520
right now i'm more interested in getting

968
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,960
the job done i'm more interested in

969
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,639
helping

970
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,119
end this truth embargo get this

971
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,720
confirmation out

972
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,359
so that the world can decide how they

973
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,480
want to act

974
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,160
what kind of policies they want to have

975
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,240
what kind of science they want to pursue

976
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,880
in an era when they know not only that

977
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,400
they're not alone in the universe but

978
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:06,960
advanced technology civilizations

979
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,829
and uh yeah before we move on and i i do

980
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,359
we spend a lot of time on the science

981
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,800
but that's good because it doesn't get

982
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,000
discussed that much

983
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,680
another paper that recently came out

984
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,119
that was co-authored by

985
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,320
a nasa scientist and unfortunately

986
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,720
his name is not on the tip of my tongue

987
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,119
but he was the co-author of this study

988
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,720
uh what they've done is actually uh

989
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,640
built a a model

990
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:35,680
to try to figure out where uh these

991
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,240
advanced

992
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,079
extraterrestrial civilizations are

993
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,280
actually located

994
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:41,520
uh the main point from the paper was

995
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,400
that

996
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,960
he they think uh based on the models

997
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,000
that they put together

998
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,920
uh that these civilizations are most

999
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:50,240
likely much closer to the galactic

1000
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:50,800
center

1001
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,839
we're about 25 000 light years out and

1002
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,000
uh the estimate from this particular

1003
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,240
model is they're more along the lines of

1004
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,880
you know maybe uh seven to nine thousand

1005
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,520
uh uh

1006
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,520
uh light years uh from the galactic

1007
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,440
center uh an interesting paper uh

1008
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,320
obviously

1009
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,320
they're just uh theoretical models uh

1010
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:10,160
but again uh these kind of papers are

1011
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,960
being written

1012
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,920
and uh i think it's a huge step in the

1013
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:14,720
right direction

1014
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,839
and uh it's not hurting us uh not by any

1015
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,359
stretch of the imagination

1016
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,880
and these scholars that are writing this

1017
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,200
paper that's their way

1018
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:26,079
of getting on board the train something

1019
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,880
anything

1020
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,480
right if you know the biggest event in

1021
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,920
human history with probably the most

1022
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,760
profound scientific implications of any

1023
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,520
of that human history is coming

1024
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:36,079
and you're a scientist even remotely

1025
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,720
connected

1026
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,640
but certainly in astronomy astrophysics

1027
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,800
and so forth but even astrobiology and

1028
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,520
so forth

1029
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,960
and you just kind of figure this is

1030
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,880
coming you're not going to necessarily

1031
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:46,400
run out in the street and start yelling

1032
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,800
yeah

1033
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,040
disclosure is coming but because

1034
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,320
nobody's going to listen to you but

1035
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,920
but you're going to certainly think how

1036
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,680
can i get on this train

1037
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,839
how can i be part of this event what can

1038
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,720
i do

1039
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,800
right and if you've never done anything

1040
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,640
before it's a little tough but

1041
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,440
everyone is searching how what can i say

1042
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,800
what can i do

1043
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,040
that hooks me to what's coming down and

1044
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,079
that's great i love it

1045
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,119
i love it too and let's face it let's

1046
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,040
say if uh for whatever reason

1047
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,880
uh this uh pentagon report that's uh

1048
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,880
supposed to uh become public in

1049
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,119
roughly six months or so uh comes out

1050
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:23,200
and says yeah there's at least a uh

1051
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,400
we think there's at least the

1052
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,640
possibility or let's say that they uh

1053
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,040
they they say uh we think uh these are

1054
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,560
some of these ufos or e.t

1055
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,920
let's say they come out and say that

1056
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,440
well that's going to raise a lot more

1057
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:35,280
questions than it's going to answer

1058
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,800
because well

1059
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,640
yeah but here's what i believe is going

1060
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,400
to happen right

1061
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,960
uh we're i think the stage is set for

1062
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,560
hearings and i think we could have them

1063
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,520
very quickly

1064
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,520
we should you would you had mentioned

1065
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,560
that and that was the next thing i

1066
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,359
wanted to jump to

1067
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:53,520
so let's talk about the hearings i i

1068
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:54,480
invite everybody

1069
00:38:03,510 --> 00:37:58,880
um once the inauguration is over

1070
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,520
and uh the street warfare is over

1071
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:06,400
and things get a little back to normal

1072
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,040
watch

1073
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,839
the news very carefully and most people

1074
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:11,520
are

1075
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:15,200
for anything that sort of pokes at the

1076
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,320
idea of hearings

1077
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,920
watch it because it can come up very

1078
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:19,359
very quickly

1079
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,040
so what i think is going should happen

1080
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,640
is that the witnesses are ready

1081
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,240
members of congress key members of

1082
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,720
congress have been briefed

1083
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,280
and and then in the next administration

1084
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,680
things are going to be a lot more stable

1085
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,800
and a lot of things are going to be

1086
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,839
pushed off to the side to be handled by

1087
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,599
other parts of the government or

1088
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,839
whatever uh

1089
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,400
so hearings in which these witnesses

1090
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,079
come forward

1091
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,599
could take place right away and that

1092
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,839
would begin so we're talking not one day

1093
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,280
we're talking weeks

1094
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,359
we're talking multiple committees senate

1095
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,119
intelligence house intelligence armed

1096
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,119
services and so forth

1097
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,880
and these hearings will be watched by

1098
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,720
hundreds of millions of people you can

1099
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,079
bet on that

1100
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,599
and hundreds of millions people will be

1101
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,400
tuning in and and seeing this evidence

1102
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,800
of many much of which we've already seen

1103
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,480
in other contexts

1104
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:15,359
uh but under oath in front of real

1105
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:16,480
members of congress

1106
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,839
in in committee rooms uh and that's

1107
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,680
gonna generate an enormous amount of

1108
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:22,320
excitement

1109
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:25,760
now while that is going on

1110
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,960
the reports from the oni office of naval

1111
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,680
intelligence and other agencies

1112
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,680
will start coming in they don't have to

1113
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,040
wait until the deadline

1114
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,119
june 25 or so they can come anytime they

1115
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,520
want and they will bring in information

1116
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:41,839
it could be drawn right into those

1117
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,400
hearings could be very powerful

1118
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,240
now one of the reasons we need to have

1119
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:47,599
hearings early on

1120
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,079
is this for 70 years the government has

1121
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,079
been stonewalling on this issue

1122
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,960
refusing to answer foias refusing to

1123
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,560
give information to presidents

1124
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,400
or providing disinformation when they

1125
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,320
thought it would serve the truth embargo

1126
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:05,280
uh every trick in the book in order to

1127
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,000
not

1128
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,280
put out hard clear

1129
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,280
files and documents and information that

1130
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,440
they have a 70-year track record of this

1131
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,480
and so there's no reason not to think

1132
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,560
that the reports are going to come in

1133
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,680
from the o and i will

1134
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,640
be mush it'll be the usual not

1135
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,160
particularly significant

1136
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,280
uh a whole bunch of things not repo

1137
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,040
not not reported that could be and so

1138
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:31,040
forth thus leaving that question mark

1139
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,079
hanging in the air

1140
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,480
which if it happened and hearings hadn't

1141
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,240
been take taken place by then

1142
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,920
then it's possible that those within

1143
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,599
congress and others could make the case

1144
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,680
what's the point of having hearings

1145
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,599
there wasn't that it wasn't anything

1146
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,400
absolutely uh confirmatory that we got

1147
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,640
from our wonderful agencies

1148
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,440
right who would never mislead us or hold

1149
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,960
back the truth right

1150
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,240
and blow the whole thing out of the

1151
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,079
water absolutely not

1152
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,839
on the other hand if hearings are taking

1153
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,319
place and this testimony is

1154
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,040
galvanizing people all over the world

1155
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,800
the people inside these agencies are

1156
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,000
going to go

1157
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,960
now we we can't sit this one out uh we

1158
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,640
need to get on board too

1159
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,240
and so let's give them what they want

1160
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,160
let's really provide

1161
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:16,319
documents that normally they would never

1162
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,200
get to see

1163
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,599
let's bring out stuff that just closes

1164
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,960
the case

1165
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,079
and that way everybody wins

1166
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:26,400
the committee chairs win the committee

1167
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,200
members win

1168
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,319
both uh democrats and republicans the

1169
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,960
president wins the media wins

1170
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,760
the public winds and the navy and the

1171
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,960
other agencies that

1172
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:38,880
joined in and provide us information

1173
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,480
they win everybody's on the truth train

1174
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,920
which is what we need i i we don't it's

1175
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,280
not a zero-sum game

1176
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,960
we don't have to have a bunch of losers

1177
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,640
i'm more than happy for this to unfold

1178
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,680
in such a way as

1179
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:54,319
everybody wins and and and getting

1180
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,960
things done

1181
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,359
in a democracy is about win win win

1182
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,640
that's how you get it done

1183
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,480
if you're constantly creating situations

1184
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,400
where this is what we want and you're

1185
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,920
going to get screwed

1186
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,440
you're going to get stonewall you're

1187
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,400
going to get uh intransigence

1188
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:11,200
hearings more information from the

1189
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,160
agencies

1190
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,319
under the request from the senate all

1191
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:15,760
coming together

1192
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,200
february march april may this is done

1193
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,200
and what will happen is the president

1194
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,560
will be in a position

1195
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,200
where he can confirm the e.t presence

1196
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,880
based upon the information brought

1197
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,839
forward

1198
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,480
in front of the american people because

1199
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,960
clearly that's what it it says

1200
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,119
and people are not going to say oh well

1201
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,960
wait a minute uh

1202
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:38,319
you why didn't you tell us sooner and

1203
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,359
all that no it it i'm not saying that it

1204
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,119
excavates everyone that has been sitting

1205
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,280
on this issue for 30 or 40 years but

1206
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,280
it is a process that will be acceptable

1207
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,560
and appropriate

1208
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,400
and the president will be comfortable

1209
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,240
and it will be it will have minimal

1210
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,640
political damage to either side that's

1211
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,760
what has to happen

1212
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,520
and we've had this kind of opportunity

1213
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,240
before in other words

1214
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,280
america and american politics

1215
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,319
has become the professional masters

1216
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:09,200
of snatching defeat from the jaws of

1217
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,760
victory

1218
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,200
every chance we get a chance to do

1219
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,640
something where everybody will win they

1220
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,680
say no

1221
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,920
let's do it this way because it'll

1222
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,280
probably fail or

1223
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,480
screw a lot of people up not this time

1224
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,240
we've got to do this right hearings

1225
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,280
major testimony massive media coverage

1226
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,760
new information coming in from the oni

1227
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,960
more hearings

1228
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,640
confirmation by the united states

1229
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,200
president disclosure

1230
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:37,119
post-disclosure world and all the other

1231
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,230
now we have seen it'll be a pretty

1232
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,680
difficult to

1233
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,920
deny that there's this great interest uh

1234
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,359
within the pentagon because

1235
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:52,240
we have seen some voyage out information

1236
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,720
where

1237
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,040
you know the these are top guys that are

1238
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,560
getting briefed on this particular

1239
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,680
subject

1240
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,160
and uh let's see let me go back i've got

1241
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,079
the slide up from a recent one

1242
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:05,119
uh we've got uh a foia doubt email here

1243
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:05,680
from

1244
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,040
robert burke admiral us navy to

1245
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,240
steven wilson general u.s air force uh

1246
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,640
recommend you take the brief i just

1247
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,560
received from our director of naval

1248
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,440
intelligence

1249
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,880
and matt koehler on uap secretary of

1250
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,599
navy will get the same brief tomorrow at

1251
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:26,319
uh 10 a.m uh that is a fight out

1252
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,200
document that

1253
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,079
really did not get at least in my view

1254
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,760
of the attention that it should have

1255
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,400
these are high-level pentagon players

1256
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:36,319
passing this information back and forth

1257
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:36,800
this is

1258
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,720
seriously it's uh it's documented we

1259
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,599
know this

1260
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,680
they've always taken it seriously frank

1261
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,440
from day one i assure you they've taken

1262
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,200
it with the utmost seriousness

1263
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,520
the truth embargo was testimony to that

1264
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,280
they didn't invest this vast amount of

1265
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,960
effort and time and resources

1266
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,560
in embargoing the truth of something

1267
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,839
that was apparent to anybody that could

1268
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,960
look up in the sky

1269
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,560
for 70 years because they didn't take it

1270
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,000
seriously

1271
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:02,400
and x number of documents have emerged

1272
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,040
over the

1273
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,079
past 70 years the research community

1274
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,839
pretty much has seized on everyone

1275
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,079
they've gotten some some degree of

1276
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,160
exposure so that they're they're part of

1277
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,520
the evidentiary pile

1278
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,480
a few of them may have been

1279
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,800
disinformation and may prove to be bogus

1280
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,520
but yet

1281
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,040
even they contributed i think to the

1282
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:20,720
disclosure process

1283
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,720
what you're seeing now is different uh

1284
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,720
the as i said seti has an enormous

1285
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,160
public relations problem

1286
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,680
as disclosure approaches but so does the

1287
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:34,000
military intelligence complex it's a

1288
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:34,880
huge

1289
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,440
public relations problem uh and

1290
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,480
obviously they they want to

1291
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,720
minimize that as much as possible

1292
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,800
everybody wants that i mean nobody wants

1293
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,520
to be

1294
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,720
seen in the worst possible light and so

1295
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,839
how do they get on board the train

1296
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,680
because they can't just walk on down to

1297
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,520
the station you know in their

1298
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,480
in their uniforms and wearing their dod

1299
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,520
badges and

1300
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,960
cop on the train because a lot of

1301
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,560
reporters are going to say that what

1302
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:07,119
what's going on here so how do they get

1303
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,400
on the train well i'll tell you how one

1304
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,560
way they got on the train

1305
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,160
they supported the creation of the to

1306
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,800
the stars academy

1307
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,760
that emerged out of the pentagon not

1308
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,200
some hobbyist project

1309
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,720
from a couple of guys that had retired

1310
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,720
didn't have much to do

1311
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:25,040
so that that organization that

1312
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,400
non-governmental organization

1313
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,680
ngo was literally created with support

1314
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,000
of people in the pentagon so we could go

1315
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:34,079
do things those people in the pentagon

1316
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:35,200
could not do

1317
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:44,790
endeavor to help

1318
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,079
indirectly by proxy get the pentagon

1319
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,319
on the disclosure train okay and that's

1320
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,079
been operating now and doing a lot of

1321
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,839
interesting things for three years

1322
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,200
profound things and there's been a whole

1323
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:57,200
bunch that's come from that so the issue

1324
00:47:04,230 --> 00:46:57,520
is

1325
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,240
uh another way that the

1326
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,800
military intelligence complex can

1327
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:08,839
improve its public relations

1328
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,079
is memos are going to pop up

1329
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,920
something we hadn't seen oh there it is

1330
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,160
oh didn't know that it'd be a facts here

1331
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,280
a letter here a memo there you know a

1332
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,960
testimony here

1333
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:23,119
and occasionally a witness here and so

1334
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,079
you just kind of have these little

1335
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,520
things popping up

1336
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,040
right emerging out of the the noise

1337
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:31,119
of the massive military intelligence

1338
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,079
complex

1339
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,839
and each one of you with those things

1340
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,520
not that not to interrupt steve but uh

1341
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,839
you would you uh characterize uh these

1342
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:39,440
occasional poppings up as

1343
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:43,520
a sort of uh cya efforts

1344
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,880
some might call it cya i would call it

1345
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:48,000
public relations

1346
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,520
okay uh meaning and why the reason why i

1347
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,119
call it

1348
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,480
cya kind of refers to illegal stuff

1349
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,160
in other words i committed a crime now i

1350
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,800
got to cover my my took us here

1351
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,559
the as i've said many times the truth

1352
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,000
embargo

1353
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,720
however offensive one might find it was

1354
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,640
a legal policy of the united states

1355
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:09,520
government

1356
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,400
is legal national security based and so

1357
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,800
it's not that they're trying to cover

1358
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,880
themselves because of illegal activities

1359
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,440
they're trying to get seen in the best

1360
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,559
light

1361
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,000
because the policies they did follow

1362
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,400
are objectionable to an awful lot of

1363
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:30,240
people and were probably carried on too

1364
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,040
long

1365
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,839
but this is a matter of interpretation

1366
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,200
all right in other words

1367
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,599
some would say no some would say yes but

1368
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,200
plenty will be not happy about it

1369
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,240
and so they're trying to improve their

1370
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,240
image their position

1371
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,359
as we uh approach the finish line and

1372
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,079
and and

1373
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,640
and let's be clear all of these little

1374
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,400
bubbling ups that i'm referring to

1375
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:54,480
are advancing the progress and each one

1376
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,870
and so it's that these memos and letters

1377
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:04,400
and statements coming from this person

1378
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:05,200
and that person

1379
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,559
and of course the entire action of the

1380
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:09,520
ttsa has advanced the process is speeded

1381
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,240
it up

1382
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,000
uh or you know definitely it helped it

1383
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,520
move along in spite of the fact that

1384
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,520
we're going through extremely difficult

1385
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,480
times

1386
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,520
which would normally shove the

1387
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,760
uh any et issue way in the back of the

1388
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,720
stove but

1389
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,480
it's still pretty much near the front

1390
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,079
front of the stove and so

1391
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,760
it's a positive thing it's a good thing

1392
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:29,200
i am not

1393
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,640
i am totally cool with the

1394
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,280
military intelligence community and to

1395
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:37,119
some degree some politicians like

1396
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,559
marco rubio getting on board

1397
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:44,079
helping this train leave the station uh

1398
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:47,839
we the fundamental goal is disclosure

1399
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:50,559
not retribution

1400
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,920
not legal actions not i told you so's

1401
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,520
i'm going to put a big when disclosure

1402
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,359
happens i'm putting a big sign

1403
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,599
on my door so that every time i leave

1404
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:02,960
the office i'll read it

1405
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,359
it'll say i told you so's don't help

1406
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,359
right so that's the goal is to get

1407
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,800
disclosure i welcome

1408
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,480
everybody on board i welcome any

1409
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,079
witnesses to come forward

1410
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,400
uh i welcome any media to get involved

1411
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,920
and if you hadn't gotten involved before

1412
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,280
it's okay

1413
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,960
right now admittedly you may be saying

1414
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:22,960
okay if you feel that way

1415
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:26,480
why are you so hard on seti

1416
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,119
because seti has not only held out

1417
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,440
longer than any other organization on

1418
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,119
this issue

1419
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,960
when its fundamental reis on detroit

1420
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,880
was dealing with the extraterrestrial

1421
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,880
issue well i i think

1422
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,800
i think where you're being a little too

1423
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:46,800
hard on seti in general you're talking

1424
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,280
about the

1425
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,880
the seth shah stack involved

1426
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:50,880
organization as compared with

1427
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,030
there is a search for extraterrestrial

1428
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,599
uh scientific endeavor that is broad and

1429
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:05,200
is international involves a lot of

1430
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,680
people

1431
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,839
and then there is the city.org

1432
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,040
organization

1433
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,200
that seth shawstak works for look you're

1434
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:13,040
right i i think i think it's important

1435
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,160
to make that distinction

1436
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,359
some people don't know that meaning

1437
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,920
just the general idea of of et

1438
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,520
intelligence and is it out there

1439
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,680
might even include theorizing about

1440
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,760
exobiology and what have you no i'm not

1441
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,599
referring to that in general

1442
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,839
i'm referring to the organization which

1443
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,880
has had a number of

1444
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:33,200
sort of incan in incarnations over the

1445
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,079
years but yeah

1446
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,280
the formal paid people

1447
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,760
organized searching for extraterrestrial

1448
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,440
signals when they damn well knew

1449
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,960
the et's were already here and if you

1450
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,640
wanted to talk to an e.t

1451
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,480
go see your brother-in-law because he

1452
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,240
probably was out up in one of the craft

1453
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,839
last friday night on a regular

1454
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,800
inspection

1455
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,720
that's who i'm talking about and i've

1456
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,920
been hard on that

1457
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,040
right because i don't know if there's

1458
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,599
any redemption there and also a lot of

1459
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,839
money was thrown down the drain

1460
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,640
uh but with respect to the military

1461
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,880
intelligence complex

1462
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,040
which for most of well all of my

1463
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:08,640
lifetime has been the only thing

1464
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:09,520
standing between

1465
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,559
us and nuclear annihilation

1466
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:15,359
and a very dangerous world people who

1467
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,079
are

1468
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,280
particularly you know that much

1469
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,280
no i'm going to be very generous with

1470
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:22,880
respect to journalists

1471
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,240
generous right without question and by

1472
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,079
and large the politicians

1473
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,960
i mean they've got enough negative marks

1474
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:32,559
on their report card i don't need to add

1475
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,359
one more

1476
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,920
um there has been some some instances of

1477
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,440
great courage

1478
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,599
uh and politicians have a lot on their

1479
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,040
plate and i get that so

1480
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,079
uh overall uh just uh

1481
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,640
uh doubling back to politicians though

1482
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,319
it still seems that that

1483
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,920
the more things change the more they

1484
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:51,760
stay the same they only

1485
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,880
bring it up when specifically asked

1486
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,800
they tend not to bring it up themselves

1487
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,880
even in that marco rubio interview

1488
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:01,520
uh the uh the miami reporter had to ask

1489
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,319
rubio

1490
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,319
about the ufo issue i mean he answered

1491
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,839
fine you know know where he's there once

1492
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,720
he was asked

1493
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,000
but he would never have brought it up

1494
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,839
unless he was asked at least

1495
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,440
unless he had said something in

1496
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,680
pre-interview hey ask me about the ufo

1497
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:15,760
stuff i mean that's always possible

1498
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,520
but otherwise that's how it came up

1499
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,960
it only came out because he was asked

1500
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,680
about of course naturally look

1501
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,040
our own political system is

1502
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,559
dysfunctional now it's a mess it should

1503
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:28,880
be completely revamped

1504
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,319
but when you in order to be a

1505
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,520
a member of the congress you have to

1506
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,800
spend anywhere between

1507
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,960
a hundred thousand two hundred thousand

1508
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,000
and a hundred million dollars

1509
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,599
to get elected the two

1510
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,119
senate races in georgia this is a

1511
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,760
special case but the two senate races in

1512
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:51,440
georgia

1513
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:54,880
cost half a billion bucks 250 million

1514
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,520
dollars

1515
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,680
a race now a huge amount of this money

1516
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,040
goes into the

1517
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,200
media of in georgia and elsewhere right

1518
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,359
so it's into the economy and people

1519
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:04,880
getting paid it's getting moved around

1520
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,119
and

1521
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:07,200
i get that but but still you got to

1522
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,240
raise it

1523
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,119
so if you got to raise a million 10 20

1524
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,240
30 40 million dollars to get elected

1525
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,319
i mean you've got to please a whole lot

1526
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,000
of people with money in their pockets

1527
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,000
and their bank accounts

1528
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,160
you're gonna the the the amount of

1529
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,319
courage you're gonna be able to muster

1530
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,920
to break ranks with anything is going to

1531
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,599
be minimal and so

1532
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,079
you end up with a with a with a campaign

1533
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:31,680
financing system like this

1534
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,720
you end up mostly with cowards you just

1535
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:37,520
get ideological cowards or ideological

1536
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:38,720
servants

1537
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,079
and uh political cowards so don't expect

1538
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,680
things to go well don't expect

1539
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,440
innovation don't expect

1540
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:48,559
you know the the challenging of

1541
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,240
of uh of norms and protocols

1542
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,640
so it's not just the e.t issue that they

1543
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,079
won't address but the e.t

1544
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,520
issue which is nonpartisan right

1545
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,480
so it it's a little harder to sort of

1546
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:04,559
back away because it's a highly partisan

1547
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,960
issue

1548
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,640
and that's that's one of the more

1549
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,559
astonishing things about it

1550
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,640
it's a universal thing but they still

1551
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,079
have to back away

1552
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,599
because the embargo has made it

1553
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,280
dangerous for them to do that

1554
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,359
and they got to raise 100 million bucks

1555
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,200
and if i actually say anything positive

1556
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,640
about the extraterrestrial issue

1557
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,960
i may only get to raise 60 million bucks

1558
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,720
in which case i won't get elected again

1559
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,680
and being in the the the congress is the

1560
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,839
only thing i can do

1561
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,040
i can't do anything else and and i and i

1562
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,040
love the perks and so forth and i just

1563
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,680
can't give it up and i will say and do

1564
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:40,400
anything to keep this job let me tell

1565
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,119
you something

1566
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,640
we don't fix that pretty soon

1567
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:46,000
we're we're going to have a lot of

1568
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,440
trouble getting getting getting it

1569
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,040
together in this country so

1570
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:51,119
let's hope that fixing that is also on

1571
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,240
the agenda

1572
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,720
of the uh the next administration you

1573
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:56,960
did mention the to the stars academy

1574
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:01,040
and they had some significant defections

1575
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,319
recently i mean it was a

1576
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:04,000
it's been a good three years and they've

1577
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,359
been the prime catalyst

1578
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:08,559
uh uh regarding that but you've got uh

1579
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,359
uh three high-profile uh players uh

1580
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,440
executives with that organization

1581
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:16,000
and uh member of the advisory board uh

1582
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,119
louie lozando

1583
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:20,000
excuse me chris mellon and steve justice

1584
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:20,400
uh

1585
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,480
think it looks very good at all

1586
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:33,040
you talked about uh investors losing

1587
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:33,520
money

1588
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,799
on uh the uh on various

1589
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:39,520
seti programs uh you know i i don't see

1590
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,319
any uh

1591
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,880
profit down the road uh for investors

1592
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,559
into the stars uh

1593
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,920
what do you what did you make of all

1594
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,760
that well i

1595
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,160
i see it completely different frank okay

1596
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,400
uh first of all i wasn't surprised by it

1597
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:54,240
secondly i don't think you could call

1598
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:57,839
those defections they're not defections

1599
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,280
uh the two's the stars academy uh

1600
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,400
the part of their their their

1601
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,720
mission statement was to pursue a number

1602
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,680
of things

1603
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,760
entertainment some research and so forth

1604
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,720
which they laid out

1605
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,559
when they when they were founded in

1606
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,799
their in their in their website

1607
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,240
and in their financial documents and

1608
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,079
they they created a public benefit

1609
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,520
corporation and they raised

1610
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,880
some money to two and a half million

1611
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,799
bucks not a lot they

1612
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,200
i think they fully expected to raise 10

1613
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,640
times that

1614
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:30,000
but the circumstances surrounding the

1615
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,599
the uh emergence of the to the stars

1616
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,280
academy did not turn out the way they

1617
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,720
thought they would

1618
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,720
and it turned bad actually and so they

1619
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:38,160
they were limited to how much money they

1620
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:39,520
could raise

1621
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,960
uh and i i am quite comfortable in

1622
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:43,920
saying

1623
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,480
that knowing what i know is going down

1624
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:47,760
uh i have

1625
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,359
really great confidence in the

1626
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,280
the financial success of the two the

1627
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:55,280
stars academy and wish i had a bunch of

1628
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,559
shares

1629
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,880
but i don't and i wouldn't have bought

1630
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,960
them if i had the money because i

1631
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,359
as an activist i can't have a financial

1632
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:05,760
interest in an entity that

1633
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,799
tied to my my uh

1634
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,640
mission statement and so forth so but

1635
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,079
i'm not worried about that they're going

1636
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,160
to do very well

1637
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,440
so what has happened here here's how i

1638
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:23,109
and again if someone doesn't have a

1639
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,319
great knowledge

1640
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,000
of the whole history of the ttsa and

1641
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,240
what's going on for three years

1642
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,760
i appreciate that they may go wait a

1643
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,119
minute how you coming up with this and i

1644
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:32,480
understand but i don't have time to go

1645
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,119
through all that

1646
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,720
i will on my going to do a podcast

1647
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:39,440
podcast on tsa we're going to go through

1648
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:39,760
it

1649
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,640
tooth and nail but so here's the way to

1650
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:44,319
look at it

1651
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:48,160
the the pentagon supporters of this of

1652
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,359
disclosure

1653
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,880
the numbers of which we don't know but

1654
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,559
they're enough that

1655
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,160
the to the stars academy could could

1656
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:55,760
exist and happen

1657
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,119
uh created this uh helped to support

1658
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,000
backed this ngo called the to the stars

1659
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,760
academy of arts and sciences we call it

1660
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,799
two stars academy

1661
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,880
that's enough anything after that is is

1662
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:07,839
excess

1663
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,440
uh uh in order to do things that the

1664
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,960
pentagon can't do

1665
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,640
and so the to the stars academy could

1666
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,240
take the gun camera footage

1667
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,920
which the pentagon declassified to the

1668
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,520
new york times but the guys in the

1669
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:20,720
pentagon couldn't

1670
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,839
you see what i'm saying right and so

1671
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,200
off they go to essentially drive the

1672
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,720
disclosure process

1673
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,000
and it made sense the to the stars

1674
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,920
academy

1675
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:36,000
when it's announced to us we learn that

1676
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:37,440
one

1677
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,200
its ceo is a musician a rock guy

1678
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:43,680
a 40 year old going on 30 year old rock

1679
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,319
guy

1680
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:46,640
who is uh you know got a high school

1681
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,599
education

1682
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,599
but a lifelong interest in the subject

1683
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,280
who has a good deal of money

1684
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,680
he's been researching himself and been

1685
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,960
involved from time to time

1686
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,960
while selling lots of records and is

1687
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:59,040
well liked and certainly connected to

1688
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,319
the millennials

1689
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,960
um in other words he's the exact

1690
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:05,599
opposite of a 30-year cia career officer

1691
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,640
you know what i'm saying

1692
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,680
yeah and uh his high profile was

1693
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,200
able to get them some sort of uh

1694
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,119
pre-publicity well

1695
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,520
the general concept not just the

1696
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,280
publicity it's the kind of publicity

1697
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,839
in other words it's it's softened it's

1698
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,119
softened the project

1699
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,599
and then the project talks about books

1700
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,240
and documentaries and entertainment

1701
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,799
right so it's an information company as

1702
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,640
well as a little some research

1703
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,480
and the books are coming out like uh you

1704
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,079
know secret machines

1705
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,240
fiction is non-fiction uh our

1706
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,839
non-fiction is fiction

1707
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:41,040
again this is a fairly soft image it's

1708
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,079
great

1709
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,640
it it it it makes it a little easier for

1710
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,720
for the public to embrace it

1711
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,440
as opposed to a spin-off of the cia

1712
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:51,760
filled with a bunch of high-profile

1713
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,640
high non-disclosure guys right who were

1714
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,640
just recently doing super classified

1715
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,000
work for god knows who

1716
01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:00,079
and they formed this little cl clack of

1717
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,280
people and they're going to

1718
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,960
start telling us about the et's they

1719
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:04,880
would have been savaged

1720
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,160
okay so soft soft beginning all right

1721
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,000
and then they move forward

1722
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:13,359
history channel program comfortable

1723
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:17,040
right not a bad venue

1724
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,319
but not exactly cbs nbc news right

1725
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,520
so they do that get some more

1726
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:23,520
information out bring some witnesses

1727
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,520
meanwhile melon goes up on the hill

1728
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,040
private meetings

1729
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,920
not publicized really a few members of

1730
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:31,280
congress mentioned that they had been

1731
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,160
briefed by some

1732
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,200
by some people pilots usually mellon

1733
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,880
probably maybe elizondo

1734
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,720
and so these these go on for a long time

1735
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,559
but they're they're off the record

1736
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,119
no problem meanwhile witnesses are being

1737
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,960
vetted by by elizondo

1738
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,880
some of them are brought on the the show

1739
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,119
on history channel unidentified

1740
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,160
others are just put in a file

1741
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,319
checked out military witnesses like the

1742
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,640
pilots

1743
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,799
seen and others significant witnesses to

1744
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:00,960
be sure that's all gathered

1745
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:04,480
and then we start to move towards the

1746
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,119
end game all right and we start to

1747
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,480
picture that uh not only when mark

1748
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:14,240
warner comes out and says that he's been

1749
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:15,359
briefed but then of course when mark

1750
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,319
rubio

1751
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,640
puts the wording into the intelligence

1752
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,559
appropriations bill about getting

1753
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,960
information and files which wasn't that

1754
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:24,000
long ago

1755
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,440
and then well it was a while ago but

1756
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:27,039
then it does it doesn't get launched

1757
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,599
until the

1758
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,920
uh the act was uh the deadline does this

1759
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,760
until the act was passed and signed

1760
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,599
which was just a short while ago the

1761
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:35,119
deadline is now out in june we get a

1762
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,160
glimpse of that

1763
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:38,559
but i'm i'm watching other tea leaves

1764
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:39,520
i'm reading other

1765
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,640
tea leaves and so forth and so i knew

1766
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,160
was clear to me that they were getting

1767
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:46,799
ready for hearings now

1768
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:50,400
different situation if you're going to

1769
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:50,799
go

1770
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,160
and actually complete the setting up

1771
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,960
and the conduction conducting hearings

1772
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,880
in the house and senate

1773
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,720
you don't want to be coming at the house

1774
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:03,039
and senate as the to the stars academy

1775
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,559
of arts and sciences

1776
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,240
with the with the books and the

1777
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:09,520
documentaries and the education stuff

1778
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:13,119
no and the rock star no criticism

1779
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:14,160
attended

1780
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:17,119
he will go down in history tom believe

1781
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,599
me

1782
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:20,160
he played an extraordinary role but you

1783
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,280
don't go

1784
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:23,200
to the senate in the house with the two

1785
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,319
stars academy

1786
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:27,440
and so consequently the three most i

1787
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,920
think

1788
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:30,480
important players two very prominent one

1789
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:31,520
in the background

1790
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:35,119
of the initial ten now a total of twelve

1791
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,960
some some switched out melon elizondo

1792
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:40,720
and justice

1793
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,079
justice because his background it uh at

1794
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,000
lockheed i mean he represents the

1795
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,799
the uh defense contractor world uh

1796
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,119
lockheed skunk works

1797
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,039
heavily rumored to have been involved in

1798
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,680
an et technology re-engineering

1799
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,880
which he would know about though he

1800
01:04:03,029 --> 01:03:59,760
can't talk about it so those three

1801
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:03,039
leave the ttsa and then they

1802
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:06,720
will be the ones that complete

1803
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:10,160
the agenda to get the hearings the ttsa

1804
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:11,200
steps back

1805
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,430
things right it's not going away because

1806
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,200
they would be insane if they weren't

1807
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,200
if you look at their mission statement

1808
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,960
if you look at what they have done

1809
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,720
try to imagine disclosure happening i

1810
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,400
don't know the end of march

1811
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,559
middle of april next year and the

1812
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:32,000
confirmation of the e.t

1813
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,760
presence is confirmed worldwide

1814
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,400
and you're the ttsa yeah think you're

1815
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,559
not going to be able to raise some money

1816
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:41,760
you think you're not going to get some

1817
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,799
press man i wish i had a ton of that

1818
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:45,920
stock but i don't

1819
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,200
okay so that is what's happening

1820
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,520
frank and i understand why people are

1821
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,799
looking at this and they

1822
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,559
you know it's all the all you get is the

1823
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:56,079
occasional article here and a little

1824
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:57,440
something there and it pops up on

1825
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:58,079
twitter

1826
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,839
who has the time to follow this thing

1827
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,640
well i do i have nothing else to do

1828
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:04,640
and so i'm i'm giving you i think a very

1829
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,920
strong very clear

1830
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,920
the mainstream is not following this at

1831
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:10,000
all i mean the the inside baseball stuff

1832
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,680
the the real detail stuff

1833
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,839
there's still a five-minute segment here

1834
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,960
article there

1835
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,480
that kind of thing they're not following

1836
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,079
this sort of thing but

1837
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,920
when when i looked at it it seemed to me

1838
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:21,760
and there had also been a lot of talk

1839
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,160
about

1840
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:24,319
uh uh unhappiness within the

1841
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,599
organization of how

1842
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,760
certain things were run uh that type of

1843
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:28,799
thing uh

1844
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:32,559
understanding the internet is nothing

1845
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,200
but talk

1846
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,520
it's loaded with talk everybody's got a

1847
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:37,359
theory anybody can put it out

1848
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,640
and so i i really it takes a lot for me

1849
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,000
to bite down

1850
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,240
on anything coming through the social

1851
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,640
media or even through emails are getting

1852
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:48,240
passed around amongst colleagues

1853
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,359
uh we have information overload uh and

1854
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:52,720
everybody can play

1855
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,359
uh and so i i i have been very good

1856
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:57,440
about staying in the middle

1857
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:01,119
right and moving forward okay and so

1858
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:04,880
uh i i just like all i can say is talk

1859
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,559
is talk uh if if theaters say ttsa puts

1860
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,160
out a press release

1861
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,680
saying that there's been serious issues

1862
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:13,520
within the organization and so and so

1863
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,319
and this and that

1864
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,920
fine i'll pay attention to it other than

1865
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,359
that now

1866
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:18,880
let me ask you this uh what is it what

1867
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:21,839
does jim semivan do for them

1868
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:25,039
do you know specifically

1869
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:29,119
again in order to they know

1870
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,000
look they are a company operating with a

1871
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:34,079
certain amount of public exposure

1872
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,520
and they brought in a group of people

1873
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:37,200
initially of which semi-van was one of

1874
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,240
them

1875
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:41,680
now he was cia that's a big deal

1876
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,039
uh but as we know uh

1877
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,720
and this is one of the the difficulties

1878
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,200
that they face

1879
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:51,119
everyone with the exception of tom

1880
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,480
delong

1881
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,200
that was part of the to the stars

1882
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,960
academy team this amazing

1883
01:07:01,190 --> 01:07:00,000
ngo that suddenly emerged

1884
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:01,200
essentially out of the military

1885
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,960
intelligence complex i mean that's what

1886
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,000
happened

1887
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:06,160
every one of them had classified

1888
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,039
statuses

1889
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,119
with their government work every one of

1890
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:11,760
them had non-disclosure agreements

1891
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,079
and so on that basis alone

1892
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,640
what they may what they may be intending

1893
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,319
to do with that organization what they

1894
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,760
are doing that organization could very

1895
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,920
well simply not be talked about

1896
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:25,280
and so they they're obviously going to

1897
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,760
make a contribution and it may be that a

1898
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:29,039
lot of what they're contributing

1899
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,480
is related to a classified material

1900
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:35,200
who knows uh but they have a team and

1901
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,480
oftentimes when you launch an

1902
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:38,160
organization like that you put together

1903
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:39,440
a strong team that doesn't mean that

1904
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,640
everybody's got a

1905
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,960
an immediate job to do on day one but it

1906
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,720
means that you have

1907
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,280
uh the people that can take you where

1908
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:48,960
you gotta go at some point

1909
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,599
plus a lot of that is advisory in other

1910
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:53,440
words you've got advisory and

1911
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:57,039
more importantly remember the ttsa would

1912
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,559
not exist if there wasn't

1913
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,680
a reasonable amount of support within

1914
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,359
the pentagon itself and the depart and

1915
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,920
the military intelligence complex

1916
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:08,240
that makes it possible for them to exist

1917
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:08,960
otherwise

1918
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:12,079
those within the mic that oppose any of

1919
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,799
this

1920
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,839
would have moved to stop it and so

1921
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:17,679
they've got those people inside that are

1922
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,640
backing them up

1923
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,920
and you're gonna you're gonna want

1924
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,679
people on your team that are connected

1925
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,600
to those people that can communicate

1926
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:25,359
with those people

1927
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,640
and so some of your people are going to

1928
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,239
be liaisons back into the military

1929
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,159
intelligence complex

1930
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,080
this is no simple deal this is

1931
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,560
incredibly complex and a lot of people

1932
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,640
want it to be simple and straightforward

1933
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:38,239
and be able to understand it from day

1934
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,359
one or they get upset

1935
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:41,600
i understand that but the world is

1936
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,719
complicated

1937
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,440
things are not easy and we're this is

1938
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,600
about as complicated as it gets

1939
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,400
and so i invite people to be tolerant

1940
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,560
understanding and patient

1941
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:54,960
uh i am paying attention and we are

1942
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:58,319
going where we're supposed to go

1943
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,679
all right so uh anything else uh before

1944
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,960
we wrap up uh is this

1945
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,640
uh uh that's what you're seeing here at

1946
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,799
some point that we'll get the report

1947
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,400
at some point this year you're

1948
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:10,480
predicting hearings

1949
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,000
on the hill and uh and then

1950
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,480
following up from that you're predicting

1951
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,319
uh future president biden

1952
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,480
will actually come forward and say uh

1953
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,480
yeah we're we're convinced uh that

1954
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:25,359
some of these ufos are e.t yeah yeah if

1955
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:26,159
the hearings are

1956
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:27,440
the ones we should have that they're

1957
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:28,719
right if they're not just some show

1958
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:29,600
thing

1959
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,040
if they're the real deal and that means

1960
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,719
they're gonna go on for weeks

1961
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,719
uh yeah the disclosure is absolutely

1962
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,719
inevitable it can't be avoided and it'll

1963
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,640
be appropriate and and fine

1964
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,560
uh so that's what to look forward to

1965
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:41,839
i'll be reporting on that

1966
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,799
with the podcast with my email list uh

1967
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:45,839
through my twitter

1968
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,839
page by the way i woke up yesterday

1969
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,520
and i went on my twitter page did you

1970
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:53,359
lose a lot of followers and um and i'm

1971
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:53,759
saying

1972
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:57,040
i've lost 500 500 what did i

1973
01:10:12,470 --> 01:09:58,800
what did i do what did i post and i'm

1974
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,550
no problem i'll get that back in no time

1975
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,199
look uh disclosurewire.org

1976
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,440
the the podcast may be up late tonight

1977
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,800
or tomorrow morning

1978
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,600
uh i invite people to subscribe sign on

1979
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,520
whatever it's free

1980
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,960
and do anything you want with it you

1981
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,120
want except misrepresented

1982
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,920
uh paradigm research group is the uh my

1983
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:32,880
website

1984
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:36,159
subscribe to my newsletter which is also

1985
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:37,280
free

1986
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,719
it's easy to do but i want you to

1987
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:40,080
subscribe that way because it puts you

1988
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,400
in an

1989
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,800
eye contact constant contact file and so

1990
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,520
forth

1991
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:46,239
uh i do have a twitter page paradigm

1992
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,120
research group

1993
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,679
please follow as well as a facebook

1994
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,679
paradigm research group please follow

1995
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,199
uh twitter's going through an awkward

1996
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,040
time but it's still pretty important

1997
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,560
if you're an activist and you're trying

1998
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,480
to get a message out so yeah this is

1999
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,239
this is nonpartisan so

2000
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,480
you know i mean what i'm calling so you

2001
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,560
know just uh just stay with it uh

2002
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,120
uh social media uh twitter more recently

2003
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:08,960
for me but the facebook going back a

2004
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,600
ways

2005
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,400
uh has been a great tool for all of us

2006
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:14,000
we've made contacts with shared

2007
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,040
information

2008
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,360
uh sometimes you just had to fill time

2009
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,800
and maybe things got a little

2010
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,800
uh a little bit more heated just out of

2011
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,400
boredom than they should have

2012
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,719
but by and large uh the social media has

2013
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:25,760
been a a

2014
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,960
godsend i think to the ufo community oh

2015
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:30,400
yeah without the internet

2016
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,520
and uh and social media as well the

2017
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,960
disclosure process would have been

2018
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,480
significantly slower

2019
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,960
it's very powerful we just have to learn

2020
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:40,719
how to live with it better

2021
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,840
um and uh we will

2022
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,679
it's a tool it's a tool you just have

2023
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:47,760
yeah and the schools need to teach kids

2024
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:50,800
early on what it is how it works and so

2025
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,520
forth

2026
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,760
uh but for now yeah it's going to be

2027
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,760
it's a it's the wild west

2028
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:57,760
it's the electronic wild west of our

2029
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,880
time uh

2030
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,560
and eventually the wild west was tamed

2031
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:02,560
as you know and the internet i think

2032
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:03,280
will be tame

2033
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:06,560
not not how would you say censored

2034
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,480
controlled we don't want that not i'll

2035
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,199
i'll live i'll live with a little uh

2036
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:14,800
raggedness and uh even

2037
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:18,159
some nastiness rather than than being uh

2038
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:20,320
controlled or constrained in some way

2039
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,189
there's nothing surprising about this

2040
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:28,960
you if you were to take a full page out

2041
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,880
of the new york times totally slandering

2042
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:31,840
somebody

2043
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,040
with false statements and so forth the

2044
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,719
the times probably wouldn't print it

2045
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,000
yeah they wouldn't print it because they

2046
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,679
have that option but if they did print

2047
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:41,120
it you'd get sued for a whole lot of

2048
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,600
money

2049
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,679
and so this idea that you can say

2050
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,320
anything do anything and it's cool no

2051
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,760
it may not be cool and if it's not

2052
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:49,120
there's going to be a price to be paid

2053
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,480
but that's the way it's always been

2054
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:52,159
there's nothing new about that it's just

2055
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,360
now more players

2056
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,920
we have more players on the field right

2057
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,840
so it's it's it's tough

2058
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,000
and a lot of people have been harmed but

2059
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:01,679
yet there's tremendous power and good

2060
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,560
here

2061
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,199
and so what can i say you you do your

2062
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,640
best you work forward and the next

2063
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:08,239
generation i'm sure we'll

2064
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,960
we'll do better at this than we have i

2065
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,560
think so and i just

2066
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,800
i don't know when i was a kid uh going

2067
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:15,760
to school

2068
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,800
back in the last century now um you know

2069
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,000
we

2070
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,840
used to hear uh don't believe everything

2071
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,520
you read you don't believe everything

2072
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:25,520
you read do you almost dismissively you

2073
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:26,159
know

2074
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,199
and uh that that's uh that's an old

2075
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:32,239
uh bromide that seems to have uh uh

2076
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,280
faded away

2077
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,880
people don't use that anymore that was

2078
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,320
that was a pejorative you don't believe

2079
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:37,760
everything you read do you

2080
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,080
yeah you remember that there was a time

2081
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,120
if you want to get a publish a book you

2082
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,280
you had to go to a publisher

2083
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,440
they fact checked it they edited it

2084
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:50,800
right it was a difficult

2085
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,640
process people would go wow okay and

2086
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:56,000
they'd read this book and they realized

2087
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,280
what it had gone through

2088
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,880
and they're thinking okay that gives me

2089
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,120
some confidence that there is some

2090
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:04,000
uh legitimacy and factuality here well

2091
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,719
now

2092
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,280
guess what a 17 year old kid can

2093
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:09,440
self-publish a book that looks just as

2094
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:12,080
is as cool as a book published 50 60

2095
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,800
years ago

2096
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,480
and put it out and the whole thing could

2097
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,239
be nonsense hey

2098
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:19,360
it's in the democracy of speech has

2099
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,080
never been

2100
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,640
broader but philosophers have been

2101
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:24,960
telling us for centuries millennia

2102
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,679
that the dem that pure unadulterated

2103
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:28,800
democracy

2104
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:31,920
is a difficult path filled with

2105
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:34,640
many uh potholes many many uh

2106
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:35,679
treacherous

2107
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:39,520
uh uh paths so we're learning that now

2108
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:43,520
we're working with it uh and ultimately

2109
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:46,960
and i'll end with this the absolute

2110
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,159
solution to uh or rather

2111
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:52,239
the path we need to take in order to

2112
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,520
live in a social

2113
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:55,679
media world with the mass communications

2114
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,640
we have

2115
01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:59,679
and be able to benefit from it and

2116
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:02,800
be minimally damaged is a decent

2117
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,400
education and so the every nation of the

2118
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,880
world has got to make a decision

2119
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:10,960
are we going to create a decent

2120
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,360
education for every one of our citizens

2121
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,800
or are you just going to keep building

2122
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,880
more aircraft carriers

2123
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:19,199
so that's a decision that remains to be

2124
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,080
made

2125
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,920
uh but that's part of what's going to

2126
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:23,600
have to happen frank thanks so much for

2127
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,880
having me absolutely absolutely

2128
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:26,080
absolutely and uh yeah

2129
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,440
just in closing i don't know if you had

2130
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,920
the chance to read frank milburn's paper

2131
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,520
that was published over at the uh the

2132
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,920
big and sadat center he talked about

2133
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,239
a little bit about how analysts uh

2134
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,320
professional analysts look at uh

2135
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,040
information and uh decide in terms of

2136
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,360
any kind of uh intelligence briefings uh

2137
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,960
uh they look at the source they look at

2138
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,800
the information included i thought

2139
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,640
i thought it was a very interesting and

2140
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:50,400
it's nice to have a guy like that in the

2141
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,120
field

2142
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,199
because yeah i mean they literally have

2143
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:55,440
a a little bit of a formula when looking

2144
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,560
at this sort of thing

2145
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,080
and that's the kind of thing i think

2146
01:16:00,790 --> 01:16:00,000
that we need more of in every field i

2147
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:00,800
thought that

2148
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,800
paper obviously the ufo stuff was

2149
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,560
uh you know it was a lot of stuff that i

2150
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,400
already knew it that obviously uh the

2151
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:10,159
the target audience wasn't uh

2152
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:11,920
people like me or most of our listeners

2153
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:13,760
are you it was people who are relatively

2154
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,480
new to the

2155
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,719
uh to the field but i thought uh that

2156
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:18,320
was very interesting and it's

2157
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,440
good to have again because of the

2158
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,159
uh because of the internet that we have

2159
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:25,679
access to that paper

2160
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:28,719
and uh we can read it and uh we can read

2161
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,920
uh yeah what he came up with as far as

2162
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:33,040
the ufo stuff but

2163
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,880
again more importantly than that the

2164
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:37,199
perspective through which he looks at it

2165
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:37,920
and i thought

2166
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,239
i thought that was a another nice little

2167
01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:42,719
uh another nice little development since

2168
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,040
uh the last time we're on

2169
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,960
we need to remind ourselves occasionally

2170
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:48,080
that it was not

2171
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:51,440
that long ago that mark zuckerberg was a

2172
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,159
geek

2173
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:54,560
in a harvard dorm room who couldn't get

2174
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,440
a date

2175
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:57,440
there you go it hasn't been that long

2176
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,480
ago and so

2177
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,080
we need to give ourselves a little bit

2178
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,560
of slack if we're struggling

2179
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:05,199
with this thing that just exploded into

2180
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:06,080
our life

2181
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:10,080
overnight uh i'd be totally shocked

2182
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,640
if it wasn't driving us around the bench

2183
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:14,239
by the same token i was thinking about

2184
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:15,040
this

2185
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,880
i'd i've been working with computers

2186
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,880
since you know god

2187
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:21,360
through work uh the late 70s into the

2188
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,400
early 80s

2189
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:24,719
i was a little bit late to the game in

2190
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,480
terms of buying a computer

2191
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,320
for the home simply because i always

2192
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:30,560
viewed it as a work tool and the idea of

2193
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,280
having

2194
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,960
a computer in the home was like i don't

2195
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:35,040
want to work in my house you know i i do

2196
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,920
that at work

2197
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,880
so it wasn't until uh 2000 that i

2198
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:40,239
actually bought my first in-home

2199
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,960
computer

2200
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:43,280
i got on the internet at that point but

2201
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,480
you know i'm 60

2202
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,719
and that was 20 years ago already you

2203
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,400
know so that's a third of my life now

2204
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,360
and i'm not a kid

2205
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:51,280
that's a third of my life where you know

2206
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:52,640
we're in this world so

2207
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,000
it is moving forward and uh uh yeah uh

2208
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,760
you know again like protect yourself

2209
01:18:02,709 --> 01:17:59,199
from the virus but

2210
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,719
also time is your most valuable asset

2211
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,120
as i'm realizing more and more every day

2212
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,040
that's my opinion anyway steve

2213
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:09,520
and uh time is your most valuable asset

2214
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:10,960
and uh protect that too

2215
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:13,360
don't uh don't go wasting it uh going

2216
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:15,520
down meaningless rabbit holes and things

2217
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,239
like that

2218
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:19,280
uh stick to the facts ah

2219
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,000
thanks thank you i'll do my best there

2220
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,760
thanks a lot steve i appreciate it as

2221
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,280
always love having you on

2222
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:28,000
and uh we'll be back uh i'm not sure

2223
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:29,360
when we don't have anything scheduled

2224
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,480
but uh we'll be back

2225
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,560
when the news warrants it so uh thanks

2226
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:34,320
for joining us have a great uh

2227
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,320
uh 2021 uh it was a little bit uh rough

2228
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,560
in spots uh this first week but

2229
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,400
uh we will get through it no worries

2230
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,159
there but uh yeah it was uh

2231
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,800
uh some very unpleasant news uh uh not

2232
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:49,040
only in the the the macro sense uh with

2233
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:50,560
what's going on in dc

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uh but also on a personal note uh

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our condolences to uh friends and family

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of

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angela joyner she is going to be miss so

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uh thanks for joining us everybody